
Proposal “dash-hive“ (Completed)Back
Title: | Dash Hive |
Owner: | rion |
One-time payment: | 5 DASH (110 USD) |
Completed payments: | 1 totaling in 5 DASH (0 month remaining) |
Payment start/end: | 2017-11-18 / 2017-12-18 (added on 2017-11-22) |
Final voting deadline: | in na |
Votes: | 0 Yes / 0 No / 0 Abstain |
Proposal description
Greetings masternode operators,
I'm proposing to create and staff a new organization called Dash Hive. I've written a fair amount of detail regarding this, but the main idea is simple:
Dash Hive would be a team of locally-based Dash advocates in the Salt Lake City metro area who would work on community-related projects that serve Dash.
The main proposal document can be found here:
https://github.com/dashcommunity/proposal-dash-hive/blob/master/proposal.md
I am happy to answer any questions you have. I'm not asking for any money right now - simply asking for protocol-level feedback regarding the concept.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
- Rion
I'm proposing to create and staff a new organization called Dash Hive. I've written a fair amount of detail regarding this, but the main idea is simple:
Dash Hive would be a team of locally-based Dash advocates in the Salt Lake City metro area who would work on community-related projects that serve Dash.
The main proposal document can be found here:
https://github.com/dashcommunity/proposal-dash-hive/blob/master/proposal.md
I am happy to answer any questions you have. I'm not asking for any money right now - simply asking for protocol-level feedback regarding the concept.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
- Rion
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Hopefully it will all make more sense over time.
Too many technologies these days are being developed for the sake of the technology itself without proving their value in the real world.
If crypto currency is going to succeed, someone needs to demonstrate that it's useful beyond stock/investment and is valuable for commodity trade of goods and services.
I believe that a symbiotic relationship between a localized group of grassroots Dash devs and their actual real-world community will naturally result in a higher value of Dash as a currency and give the Dash community greater reach - and as transactions between external networks increase, the value of Dash will increase.
The one addendum I would add to this proposal would actually be to allocate some percentage funds that are *not* tied to the Dash community - let some of it go towards "selfish" autonomy that which may or may not be completely external. I don't know the right words to explain this, but I think an economist would both understand and be able to reiterate in a more correct way, but essentially the transaction of work/value/product needs to somehow reach "normal" people. Maybe something like using Dash to pay for development for some non-profit group or open source community - like a high school tutor program or matrix.org or gitea or something else in the "grassroots" spirit.
a work force earning (at least partial) income in Dash and providing valuable products and services to Dash,
a merchant base both supported by and supporting the workforce in economic exchange in Dash."
I am not against this (which means i vote yes on this polling of the network), but i do hope if this project gets the green light
there will still be a pre-discussion about the actual funds and time period that will be involved.
Also my yes vote here does not automatically mean a yes vote to your future budget proposal(s).
You understood it exactly as I intended. I'm not asking for a approval for any funds at this time, nor a solid commitment to pay later, just a vote signifying that you conceptually agree with the approach described.
To summarize that approach:
1. We work and deliver what is in the scope of work.
2. We release our work products, ask for any feedback including requested modifications, etc.
3. We ask for funding for what we've done.
Actual funding requests will be close to the budgetary estimates in the prior proposal (two project proposals linked to from the main proposal in this case).
The main idea is we're working before asking for funding. This is designed specifically to address the issue that has plagued the treasury with past proposals of contractors getting paid but not delivering as expected (e.g. the Shrem debit card). This also eliminates middle man escrow.
https://github.com/dashcommunity/proposal-dash-hive/blob/master/paper-wallet-tool.md
Basically, if this passes I'm going to start interviewing all 200 members of my Dash-specific meetup group to see exactly what kinds of skills I have on hand, and what ideas people have. That alone is going to take a considerable effort from me (as well as time and effort from those I'm interviewing). We're all busy people in my meetup. These are skilled professionals. We'd rather not spend a hundred hours on something that MNOs fundamentally don't agree with. I've already put hundreds of hours into uncompensated local community building. It turns out that grassroots community building takes a lot of effort (which, thankfully I enjoy).
This isn't about money for me. This is about making Dash great, because I'd like more freedom in my life and in my community. That's one reason I'm not asking for money just yet. But in addition, I'm also not asking for money because I first want to know if MNOs support this concept *ideologically*. I'm not taking it for granted that MNOs even want to additional groups in the mix. Perhaps they want to stick with just sending more money to Core and DF for example. Perhaps they do want to support other groups, but for whatever reason they don't want to support *this* group. That's what I'm trying to figure out. If I asked for money and got turned down I wouldn't know if I was asking for too much money, or they simply don't want to support this group.
Finally, yes, I will be asking for money in the future, as described in my proposal, because I'll need money to attract talent. Once supported ideologically (through a yes vote here), we'll start generating ideas, accepting solicitations, and building stuff. Once we've built some things, we'll start asking for money.
If on the other hand, I am able to show them a proposal with explicit intent from MNOs to support our specific group then it's far more likely that I'll get their time and attention.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/76ivzx/dashs_governance_growing_pains/doep4wh/
Rion lists some great benefits:
* It would put idle talent to work for dash
* It would reduce overhead at both ends of treasury proposals:
* MNOs wouldn't need to vet as many people for a given work force
* Individuals wouldn't need to establish reputations before working for dash
* It would eliminate contractor delivery risk (no scams or underperforming projects possible)
* It would provide a simple path to employment for newcomers to Dash.
* It would open/expand the opportunity for MNOs to initiate RFPs
* Co-op skills and qualifications would be expanded and updated regularly
* MNOs would be able to rely on a trust-less and steadily-available workforce
* it would prime SLC to be a future test-bed for pilot programs
* Merchant adoption programs
* A branch office with physical, consumer-facing stores/info desks, etc
Example (perhaps better formatted):
* Jane developed website [howtodash.com]: 5 Dash
* Joe wrote article for newsweek [#1]: 1.3 Dash
* Mary wrote more in-depth article for FT [#2]: 2.5 Dash
* Paul created some Dash-centric artwork [here]: 0.9 Dash
* George wrote a Dash novel [buy it on openbazaar here]: 20 Dash
* Joe cooked a meal for public informational event [pics here]: 0.7 Dash
* George drove someone to the airport [??]: 0.1 Dash
IDK, to be honest (at least in the beginning) I almost wouldn't even care what "tasks" you're having your Hive do - I love the idea of "hiring" more people to develop/contribute to the Dash ecosystem - *earning* Dash instead of "buying" Dash.
This month Dash Hive-SLC-branch spent 13 Dash on local marketing, 9 Dash on meetup events, 27 Dash on food, and 3 Dash on miscellaneous.
Dash Hive-Provo-branch spent 8 Dash on local marketing, 42 Dash on meetup events, 5 Dash on water, 0.5 Dash on miscellaneous.
I'm excited about this idea and hope to see more support for this and more groups like this develop in the future.
The best way to promote (brick & mortar) merchant adoption is to create a (local) work force:
* If someone buys dash they are unlikely to spend it
Those who exchange dash for local currencies have, in doing so, expressed their preference to hold it
This person values Dash more as an investment than a currency
They will likely prefer to spend their local currency over spending dash
* Alternatively, if someone earns Dash, they are likely to spend it
People need to consume to survive
People will generally shop using the most convenient, inexpensive, fast, and enjoyable method available
Using dash is all of those things, provided consumers can find merchants who offer what we need
The greater the portion of one's income is earned in Dash, the more Dash they will need to spend
* The more consumers earn in Dash, the more support Dash-accepting merchants will get.
I followed really a lot of hyper-links, but in the end what will this do?
"The main idea is that Dash Hive will be industrious - writing, developing, building."
This part explains more:
"Specifically for this project, it will be useful in recruiting membership for Dash Hive. An agreed-to LOI will show recruits (who may be unfamiliar with the Dash Treasury process) that MNOs are agreeing in good faith to fund activities that people may spend significant time and money producing."
You are asking us to support you in your current and future initiatives? Of course I do! But please show what you can and want to do, something more than the paperwalletgenerator.
I prefer a proposal to have a clear measurable result so I can evaluate exactly what the costs of your proposal will bring. This includes future proposals from your hive.
If the idea is to give you trust on forehand before going through the approval process, it is a big NO. If people don't know the process they should get to know it.
My trust you have. Not my LOI.
I face a bit of a chicken and egg challenge here. In order to know what we will do I need to know what skills and interests I have on hand. That involves interviewing potentially hundreds of people to find the right few people to start building something great. That's a lot of effort for both me and those I'm interviewing to go though, so I'm basically asking for some feedback that those efforts are supported by the MNOs. Please see my response to TroyDASH for a bit more explanation.
Oh, and regarding clear descriptions of goals and costs, yes, you'll get that as soon as we start work. I'm not going to half-ass this thing, so if we get the (explicit, non funded) go ahead to start, we're going to create some great things. Only after those things are created will we ask for funding. It's a zero-risk proposition (for MNOs), at least that's how I've tried to construct this.
solarguy