Proposal “Revert-CoinJoin-to-PrivateSend“ (Closed)Back

Title:Revert-CoinJoin-to-PrivateSend
Owner:lysergic
One-time payment: 1 DASH (43 USD)
Completed payments: no payments occurred yet (1 month remaining)
Payment start/end: 2023-06-02 / 2023-07-12 (added on 2023-06-01)
Final voting deadline: in passed
Votes: 431 Yes / 262 No / 11 Abstain

Proposal description

This proposal is to restore the PrivateSend branding to the feature we currently simply call 'CoinJoin'.

During the Taylor era, Ryan Taylor unilaterally made the decision to de-brand PrivateSend from the wallet and all documentation on any official dash.org website.  This was done without any consultation with the network and forced upon us under the guise that we must do it to stop being targeted as a so called 'Privacy Coin'.  It was even suggested that this action would see Dash re-listed in Japan and other places that were hostile to Dash and our ethos of financial independence and personal privacy.

However, things did not work out to plan, instead, we got de-listed from Bittrex, then re-listed, thanks to a nice save from DCG, we got de-listed from South Korea and now Binance will forbid trading Dash in a few EU countries. https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-to-delist-privacy-tokens-in-france-italy-spain-and-poland  The de-branding did us no favours, it neither tricked the governments and the regulators into believing we are not a privacy coin and it estranged some of our holders with our apparent 'soft on privacy' approach. Well enough is enough!  Vote YES if you believe privacy is a fundamental human rightVote YES to restore the PrivateSend branding and get us back on track.

If you search Google for the phrase 'PrivateSend' or ask an AI what is the Dash Cryptocurrency?  You will see that we have a lot of SEO for that trademark which we are currently not leveraging.  Let's reclaim that SEO and get it back to the website so investors know we still have this feature and not only that, but it better than ever, with more rounds available now (16), more participants available in each round and super fast with chained deterministic InstantSend, you can mix several rounds without even waiting for a confirmation!  But that's not all!  Did you know that a prototype mixing feature is already in the mobile wallets?  All you have to do to bring this feature into a release is demand it and soon we will have mixing direct from our mobile wallets!

So, what does it take to turn it back?  Well during the initial de-branding of PrivateSend, I was so furious this was being done and always intended to fight that moronic, beta, soy drinking move that I asked Udjin and Pasta to ensure that the name of this feature was parameterized in the code such that it could be changed back later easy as apple pie and it was done exactly that way!  Here is the one line of code that needs to be changed https://github.com/dashpay/dash/blob/master/src/util/system.cpp#L80  const std::string gCoinJoinName = "CoinJoin";  Please note that making this change does not require a hard fork or anything, it can be done in any future version of the wallet.

Specifically, voting YES on this proposal will mean that the devs update that one line of code so that the word 'CoinJoin' is replaced with 'PrivateSend', further as an ongoing effort, references on the dash.org website and sub-domains including our wallet documentation would change from 'CoinJoin' to 'PrivateSend'.  That is all.  Vote NO for no change.

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-2 points,1 year ago
I am against anonymity, against mixers.
There are much more decent and law-abiding citizens!
DASH is removed from major exchanges, this will lead to a depreciation of the coin and it will be forgotten.
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4 points,1 year ago
What?!? You do realize that the majority of us got into xcoin/darkcoin because it was privacy focused, right? You are suggesting that we deviate from one of our core principals to placate the banking/fiat system? I think you may be in the wrong community friend. Privacy was and should be one of our core values. It appears all you care about is keeping exchanges and the bankers happy by not focusing on privacy in the hope that your bags may go up. I'm voting yes to this change...
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2 points,1 year ago
It's a bit late now, the deadline is passed and we did not get sufficient votes for this change :( Though I appreciate the support.
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3 points,1 year ago
User777 is against anonymity. How interesting. What's your name?
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3 points,1 year ago
> There are much more decent and law-abiding citizens!

Mixing coins is not illegal and does not imply illegal activity, it expresses a desire to keep your financial status private, which IMO is perfectly understandable.

> DASH is removed from major exchanges, this will lead to a depreciation of the coin and it will be forgotten.

You make the false assumption that if this proposal were to pass that Dash would be treated differently to how it is being treated now (as a privacy coin) it would not, Dash will be treated the same by the regulators (as a threat) regardless of what we do, even if we removed all mixing from the protocol layer and the wallet, Dash would still be categorised as a privacy coin!
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3 points,1 year ago
Voting YES. I want DASH to bring private send branding back. There are many reasons to vote for Private Send branding to be returned. Firstly, DASH was founded on privacy as a cornerstone principle for DASH. I remember Evan saying that he would make sure Private send was so secure that they would have to bring down the internet to break it. I absolutely love that conviction to financial freedom. Everyone deserves financial privacy - it bestows freedom and sovereignty to the individual. Financial freedom is built into the very fabric of DASH and is one of the core founding values of DASH. I think we can all agree that the idea of CBDC is a living nightmare mainly because there is no privacy and the Government can see, and therefore make decisions to control, everything you do with their money. If that is not what we want and what the masses wish, shouldn't DASH be shouting out about our privacy features and putting it first in our communications? It's challenging to communicate a value such as financial privacy to everyday people without using the word "private". Somewhere along the way, DASH's founding values got lost to compliance. Even the phrase compliance makes me sick. Compliance (submission) to corrupt government and regulator pressure. DASH was created to provide an escape from the grasping over control of governments, regulators and central banks, the worst type of con men. A bank can go bust and lose its customer's money (as in the case of 2008 Lehman Brothers and others) and cause worldwide suffering for pure greed. Millions of everyday people lost their life-saving jobs, houses, and families torn apart due to financial disasters, suicides, depression and mental illness whilst bankers went out and celebrated their profits from 2008. And, as far as I am aware, none of those bankers went to jail for that deliberate catastrophe - quite the contrary many walked away with fat million dollar bonuses... or have we forgotten that? Giving up privacy branding means we can't get the message out as effectively to everyday people who want and need it. If they don't understand it because of geeky terms like "coinjoin", - we are effectively muting one of DASH's most sacred features.

The low values of 2% of users using coinjoin are not because it is a feature not wanted. It is because everyday non-geek people need help understanding how to use it as it is not understandable for ordinary people. In addition, most people need to understand the importance of financial privacy in crypto. They think that crypto is already private. Therefore the use of the DASH privacy feature is more to do with barriers to understanding how to use it and its importance in crypto specifically. If you ask someone on the street do they value financial privacy, however, I think that most people would say "YES"

The argument that DASH will get into more exchanges or stay in more exchanges by changing "private send" to "Coinjoin" is not a reality. Do you think that management of exchanges will be that dumb? They will know the technology is the same. Having a different name will not make any difference to them. To say that an exchange or government will more readily accept DASH because the name was changed but not the technology doesn't make sense. The technical people running exchanges are not dumb and the Governments don't want DASH to succeed so they aren't going to change either. Wake up people!

As for Governments, (including the EU) they already have DASH pegged as a "privacy coin" and haven't changed their categorization after the name change. Because it is not in their advantage to do so anyway.

So, if exchanges know the technology and governments already have DASH pegged as a privacy coin, then what have we got to lose? I believe we have a lot to win by reverting back to Private Send because people are sick and tired of having their liberties taken away. I am absolutely sick to my stomach of power bodies forcing people to comply to conditions that are in their favour and not ours. People are sick of governments overreaching control. They want freedom from government oversights. They want freedom from having their money stolen. That can only come from financial privacy. COVID is another example of governments worldwide overreaching and controlling the masses.

DASH is not an anonymous coin. It is a privacy-focused coin. And financial privacy is essential for businesses and for the security of individuals. If someone can track how much money you have in your wallet, you are not safe if you hold a reasonable amount of crypto. Governments don't think about this - but they will eventually. It's unusual that the EU has made such a big deal out of GDPR privacy regulations but then states that everything must be transparent regarding crypto. Doesn't that seem contradictory to you? They make up the rules as they go in a way that is convenient for them.

The SEC has labelled DASH as a security for those who need to be updated with current affairs. Consequently, they are demanding that DASH be removed from US exchanges anyway - unless the exchanges fight to keep DASH. I'm not sure how keen they will be to do that, but if a crypto exchange management is intelligent, they will fight for DASH to stay because, as we all know, DASH is not a security. After all, it is decentralized. If the exchanges fight for DASH to survive and win by proving DASH is not a security, this could be a significant step forward for DASH and the crypto world.

Right now, we are going into the final stages of adoption for crypto. This is the resistance fight stage, where the established legacy power systems will fight like hell to keep their power. However, they will not be able to stop progress and EVOLUTION . Eventually, crypto will win as EVOLUTION is the only way forward. For these reasons and many more I'm voting YES for private send.

I am pleased to see that DASH Core management has dissolved and we are left with just the dev team. Although Ryan Taylor was most likely acting in good faith I feel he was overstepping his remit in my opinion. It is good to see the frequent sprint reviews - even though they are over my head technically to be honest. It does show that work is being done behind the scenes which gives confidence. It would be good however, to have a progress report that non techies could understand i.e. the end result features and benefits. The sprint reviews are still great though and I have much more confidence in the project with them. Something we didn't have when Dash core management was around.
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2 points,1 year ago
Thanks for your support DeepBlue and I couldn't have said it better myself.
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6 points,1 year ago
IMHO the name "CoinJoin" is ok and should stay.
Even if "PrivateSend" is perhaps slightly better.
Even if the method of the previous change is questionable.
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7 points,1 year ago
calling it coinjoin allows Dash to easily enter the conversation whenever coinjoin advocates communicate. That is more valuable than the privatesend brand which no one knows about or searches for.
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0 points,1 year ago
What conversation? The PrivateSend brand is a well-known feature of Dash, we need to own it and capitalise on it.
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3 points,1 year ago
"whenever coinjoin advocates communicate"
The Bitcoin coinjoin audience is larger than the dash privatesend audience. Sorry.
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4 points,1 year ago
Yes from me. The pullback from our privacy roots was a significant misstep.
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0 points,1 year ago
Even if it will get Dash delisted in ALL of the EU soon?

Why not disclose how much Dash you are holding, so we know at least how severely delistings are going to affect you
IF AT ALL?
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1 point,1 year ago
> Even if it will get Dash delisted in ALL of the EU soon?

Nope, the governments will act against us regardless of what we do, you make the mistake of thinking they are reasonable or rational or can be argued with; they cannot.
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-2 points,1 year ago
For NOW the slavemasters called 'government' seem to tolerate ALL non-privacy coins in Japan, South Korea, Singapore, UAE and soon in ALL of the EU, and in contrast delist ALL privacy coins.
Do you never watch or read any news?
Are you living under a rock on the dark side of the moon?

Is our project in a position to survive delistings from the centralized exchanges? Go check our DEX volume here:
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/
I am sure someone like you believes our project is able to survive on OTC trading only. LOL

Now keep shilling for the suicide of this project, for a stupid crap feature used by 2% of the users.
You brain-amputated MORON.
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3 points,1 year ago
I think you are a moron.

The users that desire privacy coins are not the 2%.

Their number is HUGE.
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3 points,1 year ago
I was going to call you the same thing!

> You brain-amputated MORON.

As I said before, even if we cleaned up the wallet and protocol and removed all trace of CoinJoin and removed all the functionality, the classification of Dash as a privacy coin would not change! Worse everyone that loves privacy would leave this coin and then lastly betas such as yourself would leave this coin having ruined it and failed to appease your masters.
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-1 point,1 year ago
You must really live under a rock on the dark side of the moon.
Haven´t you noticed: The privacy-focused crowd has already left and abandoned Dash long ago.
That actually happened 2016-17
They are already gone. And they are not coming back.
Even if we would force anonymity by default on all transactions, not even $5 would get invested in Dash by the privacy crowd. They have long moved to Monero, Zcash, PirateChain etc.
But guess what, 98% of average people DO NOT CARE about any of this privacy crap.

You spread absolute lies: the delistings will only come because we keep this mixing crap.
Why don´t you genius explain us, where our trading volume will come from, given the fact we have 0% DEX volume. FUCKING EXPLAIN IT OR SHUT UP.

Because of fools like yourself Dash will first hit $10 long before Monero will hit $50.
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3 points,1 year ago
Hi, I left in 2016 because of the Privacy U-turn. I'm back. Just saying. Hiiiiii
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3 points,1 year ago
> You must really live under a rock on the dark side of the moon.
> Haven´t you noticed: The privacy-focused crowd has already left and abandoned Dash long ago.

Hello! I'm still here and many others are, the proof is on the block chain with the constant mixing transactions and the proof will be in the votes on this proposal.


> You spread absolute lies: the delistings will only come because we keep this mixing crap.


You are weak and subservient, what are you even doing in Crypto?

Get it through your head, whether we embrace privacy or not, this coin will always be considered a privacy coin, that is what we learned from Taylor's experiment, so we may as well embrace it! I hope you have the courage to do the same, if you are not prepared to stand up and fight for your rights, then you surely don't deserve any.
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3 points,1 year ago
>But guess what, 98% of average people DO NOT CARE about any of this privacy crap.

Dash should not target to the average people who are enslaved to their govs.

It should target to the free persons.

Also I think about 50% of the average people care about privacy coins, and they do whatever they can to avoid the taxes of their govs.
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0 points,1 year ago
That's the fate of governance coins! A handful of people keep changing the rules and other aspects, preventing the project from adhering to a plan. A poor and stupid exchange (Bittrex) delisted Dash, caused Dash network to panic. Dash people then attempted to label it as a non-privacy coin. Subsequently, they noticed that XMR was performing better, and now desperate hodlers want to revert to PrivateSend. Numerous protocol-level changes over the years, only resulting into doubts and concerns. Countless rebrandings. What a chaotic situation!
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3 points,1 year ago
Not quite. The one that panicked was Ryan Taylor when he made the decision without network consultation, I am pretty sure he did that because he knew if he consulted the network, they would not have agreed. This proposal is just to right that wrong and give the community the chance to make the decision once and for all.
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-2 points,1 year ago
Exactly. Countless meaningless rebrandigs.

I have an alternative solution. Lets calculate the Hash Value of the directory https://github.com/dashpay/dash/tree/master/src/coinjoin

1.7M ~/compiles/dash
12:47 demo<0>apogee 0 $ sha1sum ./src/coinjoin/* | sha1sum
a9c28528705e4e81613fe24170fee2e5aa0198b4 -

Lers rebrand coinjoin/privatesend and name it "a9c28528705e4e81613fe24170fee2e5aa0198b4"

Thats the best we can do to expell the stupid from the dash community.
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2 points,1 year ago
This is silly, remember, we want people to find us, currently the search engines know to send people to dash web pages when the term privatesend is searched for, we should capitalise on that. A random hash is completely meaningless and would be worse than what we have now.
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-1 point,1 year ago
It is not a random hash, it is the hash of the coinjoin directory. It may be mostly meaningless, but on the other hand it will chase the stupid away.
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0 points,1 year ago
Imagine a marketing campaign...

"Join Dash and get benefit of its amazing a9c28528705e4e81613fe24170fee2e5aa0198b4 feature!"

Superb campaign, no stupid will ever dare join Dash community....
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-1 point,1 year ago
I dont think the name is important.

If you emphasize to the marketing jargon, you invite stupids in the community.

Stupids have vote, and they will sink the community with it.

So better give two or more names, to confuse the stupid and send them away from the Dash community.
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3 points,1 year ago
*** Update ***

I have verbal agreement from Sam CTO at DCG that if this proposal passes, they will make the above requested changes.

Also, I've spotted this PR that merges in coinojoin features into the library that is used by the mobile wallets. https://github.com/dashpay/dashj/pull/213 Seems like privacy is coming to our mobile devices !
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