Proposal “Dash-Force“ (Closed)Back
| Title: | Dash Force - Dash Community Energizer |
| Owner: | InTheWoods |
| Monthly amount: | 280 DASH (10075 USD) |
| Completed payments: | no payments occurred yet (6 month remaining) |
| Payment start/end: | 2016-10-05 / 2017-04-19 (added on 2016-09-27) |
| Final voting deadline: | in passed |
| Votes: | 423 Yes / 830 No / 0 Abstain |
Proposal description
Problem
Dash doesn’t have a strong enough visible presence on social media when it comes to active social media engagement and that can be a problem at times. If you take a look at the comments posted in response to Brian Armstrong, the Coinbase CEO’s recent reddit post, that suggests Coinbase is moving towards integrating other cryptocurrencies, Dash was totally absent there and it's not for the lack of a big community. It's because paid activists of a rival projects swoop in and stole the spotlight. It also lead to an article where Dash isn't even mentioned. Dash didn’t manage to get enough Stackexchange.com votes for the same reason. The community just wasn’t motivated enough to get actively engaged. To provide another concrete example, the Overstock CEO of the US retailer Overstock, Patrick Byrne, issued a community challenge, asking which 2.0 Crypto platform is the best one and in that case, following a strong community showing, Counterparty was selected because it had the most vocal community. Dash stands to lose a lot by not having a vocal active community presence on social media and the previously mentioned Coinbase reddit interaction or lack thereof is a good example of that.
It would seem the average age of the Dash community is higher than that of other crypto communities and that doesn't play in our favor at times when it comes to active outreach.
The high barrier to entry when it comes to owning a masternode could be a reason why this is the case. The young, social media savvy active people, have less disposable income according to statistics and are less likely to be actively involved with Dash. The older population tends to be more lethargic on social media and less engaged than the younger generation.
Perception is reality, as they say. This is especially true in the cryptocurrency space. If you're not out there creating it, others will do it for you and most often than not it won't be in your favor. PR agencies work to some extent, but they are slow to react, and bureaucratic and don't have what it takes to work in the current environment and tackle some of the challenges, where active engagement on Reddit, for example, is often more important than articles that may appear sterile and unimpressive. Often, the comment section is way more important than the article itself. For example, you can have a bunch of Dash pieces, but 2-3 negative comments placed there by competitors, set on ruining Dash to prop up themselves, is often more than enough to nullify all the positive of that press release or Dash related article, especially when no Dash community members step in to engage them with sensible counter arguments.
Solution
I've put together a team of Dash activists. Our aim is to be actively engaged on social media and to fight for Dash wherever & whenever it would be required. Other projects have well organized teams conducting such efforts in an effective manner. Our Dash Force team will be limited to 7 members. Our team won't be about making social media announcements. There are folks already handling that. Our aim is active engagement, reddit discussions, forums, twitter engagement, article comments. We also aim to weed out Dash disinformation wherever we find it because there's plenty of it and to present the Dash value proposition in a positive manner.
We will also combine this proactive approach with the Swarm model that was used quite successfully by NXT in the past. All community members, aside from our main team. will be encouraged to link, retweet, post, like and engage in exchange for small Dash tips. A series of bounties will be created in order to achieve this goal of getting community members engaged. A screenshot proof or link to their social media contribution will have to be posted in a dedicated document or in a dedicated chat channel.
This approach will be very cost effective. I believe that having a strong social media presence can go a long way and have a big impact on how Dash is perceived as a project. Not being seen or heard on social media can create a negative perception, that of a project that doesn’t have a strong following. Bitcoin managed to get where it is now because it had a hardcore community following of crypto enthusiasts. Dash Force aims to be the engine driving community growth by energizing and mobilizing the Dash community.
175 Dash will be allocated to pay 7 active Dash Force members who will be the bread and butter of this community activist effort and will also act as community coordinators.
100 Dash will be reserved for Dash Swarms, an organized effort to incentivize all community members to get actively engaged in the Dash Force community outreach efforts.
The following article written by The Desert Lynx goes into detail to explain why such organized community efforts make sense http://thedashtimes.com/2016/09/26/cryptocurrency-needs-activists/
The Dash Force team consists of the following members:
InTheWoods - Dash slack owner and mod
The Desert Lynx - known crypto journalist
Macrochip - Dash slack mod, Dashpay reddit mod
SovereignBTC - Sovereign BTC podcast author
Tao - active Dash community member who runs the TaoOfSatoshi Twitter account
Elisha - Dash Times owner and author
Buster - Darq.io/The Cryptoreport author and Dash publick slack owner/mod
Dash doesn’t have a strong enough visible presence on social media when it comes to active social media engagement and that can be a problem at times. If you take a look at the comments posted in response to Brian Armstrong, the Coinbase CEO’s recent reddit post, that suggests Coinbase is moving towards integrating other cryptocurrencies, Dash was totally absent there and it's not for the lack of a big community. It's because paid activists of a rival projects swoop in and stole the spotlight. It also lead to an article where Dash isn't even mentioned. Dash didn’t manage to get enough Stackexchange.com votes for the same reason. The community just wasn’t motivated enough to get actively engaged. To provide another concrete example, the Overstock CEO of the US retailer Overstock, Patrick Byrne, issued a community challenge, asking which 2.0 Crypto platform is the best one and in that case, following a strong community showing, Counterparty was selected because it had the most vocal community. Dash stands to lose a lot by not having a vocal active community presence on social media and the previously mentioned Coinbase reddit interaction or lack thereof is a good example of that.
It would seem the average age of the Dash community is higher than that of other crypto communities and that doesn't play in our favor at times when it comes to active outreach.
The high barrier to entry when it comes to owning a masternode could be a reason why this is the case. The young, social media savvy active people, have less disposable income according to statistics and are less likely to be actively involved with Dash. The older population tends to be more lethargic on social media and less engaged than the younger generation.
Perception is reality, as they say. This is especially true in the cryptocurrency space. If you're not out there creating it, others will do it for you and most often than not it won't be in your favor. PR agencies work to some extent, but they are slow to react, and bureaucratic and don't have what it takes to work in the current environment and tackle some of the challenges, where active engagement on Reddit, for example, is often more important than articles that may appear sterile and unimpressive. Often, the comment section is way more important than the article itself. For example, you can have a bunch of Dash pieces, but 2-3 negative comments placed there by competitors, set on ruining Dash to prop up themselves, is often more than enough to nullify all the positive of that press release or Dash related article, especially when no Dash community members step in to engage them with sensible counter arguments.
Solution
I've put together a team of Dash activists. Our aim is to be actively engaged on social media and to fight for Dash wherever & whenever it would be required. Other projects have well organized teams conducting such efforts in an effective manner. Our Dash Force team will be limited to 7 members. Our team won't be about making social media announcements. There are folks already handling that. Our aim is active engagement, reddit discussions, forums, twitter engagement, article comments. We also aim to weed out Dash disinformation wherever we find it because there's plenty of it and to present the Dash value proposition in a positive manner.
We will also combine this proactive approach with the Swarm model that was used quite successfully by NXT in the past. All community members, aside from our main team. will be encouraged to link, retweet, post, like and engage in exchange for small Dash tips. A series of bounties will be created in order to achieve this goal of getting community members engaged. A screenshot proof or link to their social media contribution will have to be posted in a dedicated document or in a dedicated chat channel.
This approach will be very cost effective. I believe that having a strong social media presence can go a long way and have a big impact on how Dash is perceived as a project. Not being seen or heard on social media can create a negative perception, that of a project that doesn’t have a strong following. Bitcoin managed to get where it is now because it had a hardcore community following of crypto enthusiasts. Dash Force aims to be the engine driving community growth by energizing and mobilizing the Dash community.
175 Dash will be allocated to pay 7 active Dash Force members who will be the bread and butter of this community activist effort and will also act as community coordinators.
100 Dash will be reserved for Dash Swarms, an organized effort to incentivize all community members to get actively engaged in the Dash Force community outreach efforts.
The following article written by The Desert Lynx goes into detail to explain why such organized community efforts make sense http://thedashtimes.com/2016/09/26/cryptocurrency-needs-activists/
The Dash Force team consists of the following members:
InTheWoods - Dash slack owner and mod
The Desert Lynx - known crypto journalist
Macrochip - Dash slack mod, Dashpay reddit mod
SovereignBTC - Sovereign BTC podcast author
Tao - active Dash community member who runs the TaoOfSatoshi Twitter account
Elisha - Dash Times owner and author
Buster - Darq.io/The Cryptoreport author and Dash publick slack owner/mod
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You may observe an occasional lucid and reasonable interaction with the community from the proposer however on considered reflection, for me, these does not feel authentic when you weigh it up against the toxic attacks.
This proposal owner is currently slightly in front of that cabal in the amount of venom and hatred he has for DASH and it's core dev's.
All I'm seeing at the moment is a 'cornered troll' tactic and I'm not following this self declared DASH visionary into a fork because the proposer argues that DASH should be destroyed in order to be rebuilt.
inthewoods [8:39 AM]
@ceti _The process of Creative Destruction is an essential fact about capitalism_ Destroy the old, create the new. So moving down a different path, shaking things up and destroying an established order is perfectly fine and often quite productive. Sure, there will be moments of drama like in the past few days but in the end we'll all be better off. Thank you again for those No votes, you've only managed to accelerate this process. (edited)
inthewoods [11:03 PM]
Evan's vision wasn't even that special honestly. Initially Darkcoin was just a coin with a built-in mixer. It added some stuff on top as project progressed. That first feature, that mixer is still very much work in progress as it's kinda` difficult to use.
[11:03]
Incentivized nodes was something that Satoshi thought about years before Darkcoin got started.
inthewoods [11:09 PM]
I never understood this cult that formed around Evan really. Seems like a very unhealthy thing for a decentralized project.
From the dash slack:
“inthewoods [Today at 6:06 PM]
Some of us are not emotionally attached to Dash because in the end it's just a vehicle for an idea. There are other vehicles. To some of us this is not a job and a virtual corporation or some interest bearing account. Evan was afraid community would splinter in two but maybe that's not such a bad thing I guess.
Posted in #dash_chatâ€
inthewoods [Today at 11:41 PM]
Babyg is a propped up guy. We've given him all this support so that he can take a dump on all the community. (edited)
Posted in #dash_chat
inthewoods [Today at 11:51 PM]
We are probably gonna have to fork into another project and find our own developers from within the community.
We can let the core have their crappy centralized bankster Dash.
with shady crappy proposals and a lack of an active community.
Posted in #dash_chat
inthewoods [Today at 11:56 PM]
This! Evan stopped coding long time ago and is just sitting there sipping cocktails at events with Daniel the top bullshit artist and a bunch of guys that just fill up space and eat up budget resources. (edited)
Posted in #dash_chat
inthewoods [Today at 12:08 AM]
Corruption is too strong when it comes to the Dash budget system at this point to get any significant non core proposals passed. Amanda was different because Dash needed a face and a spokeperson and even core team realized that. (edited)
inthewoods [12:54 AM]
remember guys, the word of the day is *fork*
inthewoods [12:55 AM]
We're seriously considering forking the project at this point. Devs that have suggestions or would like to be part of a future decentralized Dash not a one man show centralized bankster project, please send us your thoughts and ideas. We're open to suggestions.
And that's just a few hours worth of his toxic rants from Thursday evening.
Here's more from Friday....
“Evan, the lead dev is clueless when it comes to what's going on. He is a self described autistic guy who closes up in his ivory tower and he's got these 2 snakes Daniel and Babyg calling the shots, who managed to crawl around him, hijacked the project and misallocate budget funds to either prop up themselves or fund dubious proposals.â€
“Here is some piece of trivia for some of you skeptics out there. NXT was a project doing fine but not great. Community split in two and some guys started NEM, which became more successful in terms of market cap. We can make that happen. Dash is just a vehicle for an idea, nothing more. We're not emotionally attached to dash.org for example.â€
Who the hell is this guy anyway.
Who or what group of folk that we know well does he sound like from his behavior?.........
Toxic people are toxic...I shouldn't give the benefit of doubt so easily I guess.
Agree re the toxic posts and now the threats to fork if not paid, I'm not funding a fork.
What about this quote since you enjoy quoting the Slack chat so much?
babygiraffe
@inthewoods We talked on the 23rd of the month. At that time, I encouraged you both because I genuinely think it is a good idea (good value for the money), and because at the time there was sufficient room in the budget, yes. I genuinely thought you would garner enough support and there would be room. Since that time, there have been many additional community proposals. I suspect the MN owners are simply prioritizing. We actually adjusted our plans for infrastructure to leave more room for community proposals. I think you should try again next month assuming it doesn’t pass. How about this? I’ll even pay your proposal cost.
Babyg never said he would fund this project. Before you trashed DASH, Evan and him he said he would pay 5 DASH to resubmit this proposal because he felt bad about legal 2 knocking it out. It was probably more for the DASH force team than you. He ain't funding nothing with your name on it now though. It would be a wasted 5 DASH as I think it's now safe to say we can put a Fork in you because you're Done.
And no that was not a threat my precious little snowflake it was a idiom you idiot. Now run back to your Slack Safe-space to whine and mod anyone who dares to disagree with you.
Remember ITW, the word of the day is *Toxic*
I would not want you to think "He is I, and I am him, slim with the tilted brim"
Who Am I (What's My Name)?
Snoop Doggy Dogg?
That was just my opening salvo. When I'm done with u there won't be anything left of your already sullied reputation.
Yes, when you speak the truth you receive threats. That's nothing new. That's how mature some are and yet same people are schooling us on how to behave professionally. (edited)"
LOL, That was not a threat, It was a promise i plan to fulfill.
You sure can dish it out but when confronted you whine like a witch and go cry in slack. But even they have had enough of your crap...
"troydash [10:19 PM]
i'm not sure i understand the threat
[10:20]
if he's planning to release more screenshots or something from public conversations, that's all?"
Yeah TD that's all.
Too bad this is not slack ITW where you can just ban people and delete their post when they disagree with you. You're such a benevolent little authoritarian dictator.
too many times over the years i have been the lone dash supporter fighting trolls in the comment section of articles and youtube. dash has been getting better on reddit but not as good as other coins. we have a lot of activity on slack and the dash forum but fall short almost everywhere else. we definitely need this proposal.
if i step it up it will force everyone on the team to step it up too.
i also don't think the dash force team members should be permanent. i think everyone (dash force members included) should post screenshots and links to what they are doing so we can compare that with all community members efforts.
i would like to see one person from the dash community who is going above and beyond be rotated into the dash force team every month. the dash force team could vote on it like an employee of the month type thing.
Evan has spent 31 months working on Dash and making it what it is today, for little or no pay. Along the way, he has found dedicated volunteers that have also put in unpaid sweat equity and that he's developed a trust relationship with, and about a year ago formed the official "Core Team."
By all accounts, you have done great things for Dash, but you've been around for less than a year. Core Team (and Evan in particular) has shown 2.5 years of continued, dedicated, nonstop service to Dash, creating it and building it into what it is today.
Evan has always kept his promises. He's always delivered. While the work of "community members" is certainly appreciated, many of them are new and few of them have such a long track record.
Let me turn this question around on you. Core Team took Dash from a nonexistent project (effectively worth $0.00) to its present-day valuation of $11.40. Sure, community members have helped along the way. But honestly ask yourself if all of your efforts would mean anything at all if not for Core Team's development of the software?
That being said, what's the objective? In my view, it's for Dash to succeed. Whatever works, works, and should be funded. We care about the early workers who brought Dash from nothing, but the market doesn't. It only cares if we win. Well, this is one great way we win, a current big weakness of ours.
We saw what took Dash to 11.40. What'll take it to 100 or beyond? I believe that Dash Force will be a big part of that.
TDG/The Dash Guy decided to leave the team. I will respect his decision. Buster has decided to join in his place. I think he will make a great addition to the team.